Kids Using Bad Grammar? Sorry I Have to Blame the Schools

I know it’s easy to point fingers at teachers and schools when kids don’t measure up, but when students are flunking basic English and writing exams and peppering their answers with emoticons they aren’t to blame—their teachers who let them get away with it are. I know the kids who are the ones who are actually making the errors, but why do they think it’s okay in the first place?

I also don’t buy relaxing grammar rules in the face of new technology either:

Thus, it looks like students are retaining the ability to express themselves in rich terms, but are either incapable of recognizing when to adopt formal usage, or incapable of doing so when necessary. Either of those should be easier to fix than an inability to express ideas through text. Of course, given the historical evolvability of the English language, chances seem good that the teens won’t so much fix the problem as force those with higher expectations to meet them halfway.

link: Student grammar failure: capability or context?

Regardless of everything else, expressing yourself through text (electronic or paper) is more important than ever. Yes, I know I’d understand “cuz” and “alot”, but it’s wrong. In high school I struggled with writing. My term papers weren’t great by any stretch of the imagination. In my case, computers did help because I could write, print, edit, print far, far easier than my non-computer enabled classmates (that would have been most of them in the mid-80s). My writing didn’t improve in college either; I think it actually got worse. Why? Because when I turned in a paper I got my grade and that was it. If it sucked, meh, I have my grade and it’s done. I wasn’t given an option to re-write for a better grade or told “this just doesn’t cut it, do it again.”

I wish I had.

My first semester of grad school, all of us in our first year were in a basic course to bring us up to speed with the latest thinking. It was taught by the department chair and I think there were about 20 of us in the class that term. The first exam, all but one or two of us flunked. We were told in no uncertain terms that our work didn’t cut it at the grad school level. Those of us who flunked were told to read Strunk & White’s Elements of Style and try again.

I did.

I passed.

Not by much though (at the University of Maine getting a C in the grad school was flunking).

Yes, no doubt I was young, brash, stubborn, and far too full of myself to see my own flaws. I wish, though, I that I hadn’t gotten to grad school thinking I could write well. I wish that my teachers had held me to a higher standard.

Now what we’re talking about now, isn’t just a higher standard, but a basic standard. I can only shake my head thinking about what kids are turning in as term papers now. And I hang my head if kids aren’t graded strictly, but fairly, on those papers.

My writing didn’t improve for years. I still don’t think it would win approval from English teachers. I just hope the students who flunk at the college level, get some real help with their writing.

It’s either that or we’re going to have to learn how to write documents in 140 characters bursts.

  • http://Www.audacitymagazine.com Nathasha Alvarez

    Hi!
    As an English middle school teacher, I will accept your thoroughly thought out analysis of blaming the teachers for the poor grammar and while we are at it, your medicore education. Everyone knows it can’t be the parents’ fault. It’s never their fault. It can’t be the constant use of texting, slang conversations amongst the students, the music and entertainment industry. Because we all know they have absolutely no impact on a student. So it must be the teacher’s fault.
    I always allow those poor souls to pass my class with little to no skills because I feel sorry for them.
    Seriously Tris! This post has no point but to irritate low paying, over worked teachers! You know, the teachers that gave you a C, did so because that’s what you earned. You didn’t like it, you should’ve fixed it. What about your guardians? Did they hold you to higher standards? I was punished all the way throughout high school for any C in any class.
    When things right in a person’s life, everyone but a teacher gets the credit.
    But if it goes wrong, blame the teacher.
    You’re more than welcome to enter my classroom to allow me to fix the mess of your former teachers. But don’t blame me if you don’t live up to my standards.
    Ok nuf said! Ttyl let’s stay bff! ?

  • http://Www.audacitymagazine.com Nathasha Alvarez

    Hi!
    As an English middle school teacher, I will accept your thoroughly thought out analysis of blaming the teachers for the poor grammar and while we are at it, your medicore education. Everyone knows it can’t be the parents’ fault. It’s never their fault. It can’t be the constant use of texting, slang conversations amongst the students, the music and entertainment industry. Because we all know they have absolutely no impact on a student. So it must be the teacher’s fault.
    I always allow those poor souls to pass my class with little to no skills because I feel sorry for them.
    Seriously Tris! This post has no point but to irritate low paying, over worked teachers! You know, the teachers that gave you a C, did so because that’s what you earned. You didn’t like it, you should’ve fixed it. What about your guardians? Did they hold you to higher standards? I was punished all the way throughout high school for any C in any class.
    When things right in a person’s life, everyone but a teacher gets the credit.
    But if it goes wrong, blame the teacher.
    You’re more than welcome to enter my classroom to allow me to fix the mess of your former teachers. But don’t blame me if you don’t live up to my standards.
    Ok nuf said! Ttyl let’s stay bff! ?

  • http://blog.ivanpope.com Ivan Pope

    You can’t just blame the teachers – but in my experience they do let an awful lot of basic errors go through, even approving work that is plainly and simply in error. That said, parents also have a huge role to play. My father was a features editor. He subbed my work from when I was little, it got me started in life. I do the same to my kids, they now understand so much. Last night my ten year old daughter was doing her homework with myself in attendance. Her work was to correct a very badly written paragraph. At one point the words ‘their’ and ‘there’ were transposed. I asked her if she knew what this was called, the words that seem to be the same word but are spelt differently. Without hesitation she said, ‘homophones’. Thanks, teachers!

  • http://blog.ivanpope.com Ivan Pope

    You can’t just blame the teachers – but in my experience they do let an awful lot of basic errors go through, even approving work that is plainly and simply in error. That said, parents also have a huge role to play. My father was a features editor. He subbed my work from when I was little, it got me started in life. I do the same to my kids, they now understand so much. Last night my ten year old daughter was doing her homework with myself in attendance. Her work was to correct a very badly written paragraph. At one point the words ‘their’ and ‘there’ were transposed. I asked her if she knew what this was called, the words that seem to be the same word but are spelt differently. Without hesitation she said, ‘homophones’. Thanks, teachers!

  • http://www.trishussey.com/ Tris Hussey

    These are great comments. I struggled with how to write this post. I didn’t want to skewer teachers nor anyone in particular, but what I was most disturbed by was that it wasn’t the fault of any person, but technology.

    I agree. Parents, the school system, and teachers all need to push our kids to a higher standard. I correct my kids’ work and try to get across the importance of informal vs formal speech/writing.

    In the end, these kids shouldn’t have thought it was okay. They should have known better. And getting to college with those kinds of writing skills…well it will harm us all.

  • http://www.trishussey.com/ Tris Hussey

    These are great comments. I struggled with how to write this post. I didn’t want to skewer teachers nor anyone in particular, but what I was most disturbed by was that it wasn’t the fault of any person, but technology.

    I agree. Parents, the school system, and teachers all need to push our kids to a higher standard. I correct my kids’ work and try to get across the importance of informal vs formal speech/writing.

    In the end, these kids shouldn’t have thought it was okay. They should have known better. And getting to college with those kinds of writing skills…well it will harm us all.

  • http://www.jankarlsbjerg.com/ Jan Karlsbjerg

    I, too, used to be a grumpy old man about grammar, young people and their writing, online writing, etc.

    Then I heard a rant about the very topic by Stephen Fry, and now I’m all better. I wrote about change of heart here: Language is an ever-moving target.

    Technology is lovely, and it improves writing. Both because it encourages so much writing and because it can help you out as you’re writing. I’m sure you love spell checkers, I know I do. And when/if grammar checkers get good enough to help us with the next step of our writing evolution, that will be nice too. I don’t see many spelling errors in your articles, but it often happens that I have to read a sentence twice because a word too many snuck its way in there. Twice in this article, for example.

    By the way, Firefox’s built-in spell checker underlined the word “snuck” when I wrote it above, because it’s wrong, as you put it. So I looked it up, and it turns out the word is supposed to be “sneaked”. But “snuck” is in the process of changing into being “not wrong”. Language happens. Deal with it.

    • http://www.trishussey.com/ Tris Hussey

      Jan I mostly agree with you. Yes, language is changing. I’m trying not to cringe at “send a message of 140 characters or less” (it should be fewer)…but I think even within the bounds of language changing, there are still rules.

  • http://www.jankarlsbjerg.com/ Jan Karlsbjerg

    I, too, used to be a grumpy old man about grammar, young people and their writing, online writing, etc.

    Then I heard a rant about the very topic by Stephen Fry, and now I’m all better. I wrote about change of heart here: Language is an ever-moving target.

    Technology is lovely, and it improves writing. Both because it encourages so much writing and because it can help you out as you’re writing. I’m sure you love spell checkers, I know I do. And when/if grammar checkers get good enough to help us with the next step of our writing evolution, that will be nice too. I don’t see many spelling errors in your articles, but it often happens that I have to read a sentence twice because a word too many snuck its way in there. Twice in this article, for example.

    By the way, Firefox’s built-in spell checker underlined the word “snuck” when I wrote it above, because it’s wrong, as you put it. So I looked it up, and it turns out the word is supposed to be “sneaked”. But “snuck” is in the process of changing into being “not wrong”. Language happens. Deal with it.

    • http://www.trishussey.com/ Tris Hussey

      Jan I mostly agree with you. Yes, language is changing. I’m trying not to cringe at “send a message of 140 characters or less” (it should be fewer)…but I think even within the bounds of language changing, there are still rules.

  • Chris F.

    I somewhat agree with you. Schools who let students get away with bad writing and grammar are terrible excuses for education facilities. However, you have to consider the students homelife as well. I have heard third graders say that they refused to learn because “momma said I didn’t have to… we still get a check.” Many parents are abusing the wellfare system or not disciplining their children to take school as a serious way to get ahead in life. I know two fourth grade children who can’t even speak English. They have failed repeatedly, but law can only hold them back for so long. Many teachers are held accountable for the progress of their students, but is that fair when they have to focus more time and energy getting the unmotivated to learn while hindering the intelligent and willing? There is only one right answer: no.

  • Chris F.

    I somewhat agree with you. Schools who let students get away with bad writing and grammar are terrible excuses for education facilities. However, you have to consider the students homelife as well. I have heard third graders say that they refused to learn because “momma said I didn’t have to… we still get a check.” Many parents are abusing the wellfare system or not disciplining their children to take school as a serious way to get ahead in life. I know two fourth grade children who can’t even speak English. They have failed repeatedly, but law can only hold them back for so long. Many teachers are held accountable for the progress of their students, but is that fair when they have to focus more time and energy getting the unmotivated to learn while hindering the intelligent and willing? There is only one right answer: no.

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